Accuracy is affected by the stress of being shot at, the need to establish effective cover, high respiratory rate from the exertion required to get to that cover, moving (and sometimes multiple) targets and other factors. I don't think i would hesitate to use my ruger 1022 for home defense with modern rounds like stingers or velocitors the new browning rounds that go 1450 fps. I'm pretty sure the .50 AE can kill the soul. lbs. Two were head shots. Why not buy a double stack 1911, like my ParaOrdnance p14-45? My first thought is: .45 is better because it's bigger. Going to the store I take my 9 with 124 gr hst. That would explain why unbelieving (LOST) people in "HELL" "BURN, but NEVER BURN-UP"..!!!"??? The 9mm is super small and light weight (about 16oz empty) and the 1911 weighs almost twice that. In similar-sized handguns, it can also hold more ammunition. They obviously apply to other calibers as well. have the .45 pistol/carbine combo, luv 'em. question, Recoil is largely the same between the 9x9mm and the .45 ACP. .45 ACP and 10mm, both being slower heavier bullets than .357 SIG have greater penetration. That's a big difference, and could be the difference between a heart shot and a lung shot. The New York State Police, (New York Police have recently completed the transiti… Not dissing the 9, in fact it's what I carry. So, caliber choice.
Thus, you have a yearly day qual and a yearly night/low light qual and that’s it.
Outstanding.
We really have the best there can be in terms of equipment so learning to employ them is the big issue other than defense against democrats.
The link is entitled to be wrong lol, the capacity of 9mm the distance and all is great . Personally I like them all! Engaging, defensive and cover fire; they all require lots of bullets. My EDC is 9mm. A picture is worth a 1000 words…new self-defense 9mm ammo opens up to create some nasty possible wound channels to stop attackers in their tracks. Go out and shoot some pumpkins, you will see the massive difference between 45 and 9mm. Thanks for the article, and for the mature comments. Only thing I would add is my home defense pistol fights me to my rifle...since pistol rounds are weak compared to a good old 5.56. Speed, power & high capacity.... Hope I was some help.... Not a lick of science in this article. Now, contrary to popular opinion, medics carried weapons (unless they were Conscientious Objectors, and I was not.)
Three state law enforcement agencies have adopted the .45 GAP as a replacement for their current issue 9×19mm Parabellum (New York) or .40 S&W service handguns (South Carolina and Florida). Despite this change, the .45 GAP has had a following amongst many law enforcement departments. His first patient was a guy shot right by the belly button.
The 45 acp has further developed as has the 9mm still making it a far superior round. The FBI employs some smart people.
Thanks. When I really want to do some damage my S&W Govt. The question I keep asking, to which i have yet to get an answer, is why are we still arguing the merits of two cartridges that are both over a century old, instead of moving on to newer, more effective choices? Maybe alternate .45 hollow point and hot buffalo bore or extreme penetrator (best of both worlds). One of the main reasons why military personnel and many LEOs made the switch to 9mm handguns was because of the deeper bullet penetration.
due to magazine restrictions, so it’s a good idea to review any state and local laws before buying a 9mm if you’re set on having a 15+1 capacity gun. I think there was a fundamental mistake about over penetration in this article. I do exactly as you stated, we think alike. I might possibly be able to shoot 9mm slightly faster but I seem to have consistently better first shot accuracy with .40 S&W and 45 ACP. You ask why? ( Look it up) I'm a person who lives in a rural area, no longer military and not a cop. So, if you only have a few seconds to fire, then you may not discharge any more rounds from the 9mm handgun than you did from a.45 ACP handgun. When I'm in the woods I use .45 cast. 7 Reasons Why Cops Choose the 9 mm Over the .40, 46 Everyday Carry Items in 3 Different Setups, Compact Power: 26 Concealed Carry Pistols For 2015, 8 Law Enforcement-Ready AR-15 Rifles Under $1,000, 18 Essential Law Enforcement Accessories For 2015. lbs.). Glock 43 9mm is my every day carry, IWB. = 1/2 x mass x velocity squared. I am good with it, plenty of muscle memory and everything flows easily. Everything is a compromise. They will both have the same result! Heavier projectiles shed their kinetic energy more quickly than heavier projectiles.
I am currently looking into a kimber ultra carry ii or a sig p938. No looks or ballistics tests are going to help you there. The 9mm’s lighter recoil makes it easier for follow-up shots.
Here is what an okd timer officer wrote about the subject.
These people think the 9mm shoots magic bullets and the 45 is just slow and heavy. My personal favorite without a doubt is the 1911 design, even though it's heavy, expensive to shoot, and has a limited magazine. Lmao. You effin ROCK!
I have a different take. This has been an ongoing debate for more than 100 years. The same gap between the 9mm vs 45 still exists. There is a reason for that.
There has been an error with your Email Subscription. I carried and used the 45 ACP in the military. 20-30% really isn't that bad. If I’m going for a fragmentation round, give me a .357 SIG from Liberty Civil defense at 2,300 FPS. and 45LC with one shot kills, both head shots. That's out of over 100 different rounds tested.
Less 'intent' to kill when LEO show up to take your statement and you're less likely to injure a family member 3 rooms away! When you have twenty holes in you, they don’t have to be real big before you bleed out internally, and that is what kills you.
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Where do you stand on the 9mm vs .45ACP debate? The Super with the 1300 fps (1930s loading) 130 gr blunt RN its supposed to be loaded with for FMJ is better than 9mm hardball on all counts. I have always heard greater mass can cause over penetration, and certainly fast and heavy bullets go through people. I have my shooting partner tell me which to shoot. We’ve built dozens of AR’s and we’ll cover all the best AR-15 upgrades such as handguards, triggers, BCGs, gas blocks, and more. That means 2-3 hits per mag in 9mm vs 1-2 hits in .45 ACP. Whichever caliber you shoot most accurately. 9mm is not close. It appears to me, however that when comparing calibers in terms of penetration, the opposite is true. ), 9mm (379 ft. I can shoot my Sig 17-round magazine all day and not feel my wallet getting lighter by the minute. He wrote: “The FBI and many police departments are going back to the 9mm for one reason and one reason only – it’s easier to qualify with a 9mm. My instructors told me that the main r reason the Navy didn't want to switch to a 9mm was that you can hit a 300 pound man with a 9mm as he's running toward you.
9mm Luger rounds have a deeper penetration than other handgun calibers. Which is it? Option two; You select a certain ammunition that has been proved to not fully penetrate. ), .40 S&W (447 ft. its only 43 joules difference but its indeed 100% confirmed fact a .45 is more powerful. I really admire the professional comments that was written. I love both rounds, but after seeing so many shootouts on liveleak, I have come to the conclusion that you are probably going to miss more than you think so have more rounds than you think you need. Best advice ever. Concealability is rarely an issue, so a smaller 9mm really has little advantage. That being said, every one raves about the FPS of the 9mm. Due to what we did and where we were, I was issued a 19111. Most gunfights do not resemble what takes place in movies. The anemic 455 Webley out performs the 9mm with hardball or a FP fmj (the loading at the time that the gunwriters were all agog about when it came back out 20 odd years ago). OTOH their .45 testing showed a much higher max muzzle energy with a number of rounds considerably over 600 ft lb, and had far more rounds (23 rounds) coming in over 500 ft lb. Ultimately, both guns are great weapons to have. Now, I have 2 of them.
It stops would be's and penetration is a non issue. With having very minimal firearm experience, could you recommend a good choice? The HST .45 ACP does it with its massive permanent wound cavity (for a handgun). The 9mm on a per round damage basis is NOT as effective as a 45. Numbers don’t matter when it comes to aiming to hit organs. But it will work pretty well even with hardball. The .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) cartridge holds bullets that have a diameter of .452 inches (11.5mm) so it is slightly larger than the 9mm (.355 inch bullets). Just keepin it real, and saying I'd like to see the testing that backs up a claim the 9mm has "way higher" muzzle velocities than the .45 ACP. Then again, if penetration through a bedroom door, heavy jacket, glass, etc your .45 won't make it to the target, so much to think about! In states like Connecticut where magazine capacity is limited to 10 rounds, would this restriction alter the debate in any way?